From Chronic Illness to a Life of Purpose with Dane Johnson, CHN

What was the turning point for you?

Well, it was. It took four years to get the turning point and about 100 to 150 grand of family money. So we were thrilled. We were desperate because I was dying. At my worst, I was 122 pounds. At 6:2, I was on a feeding tube. So the number one thing I want to do is make sure you don't get worse. I want neutral or positive results. Number two is that you agree with what we're doing. Number three is I'm looking for something that has low risk, high reward. So I'm literally going to run that through and say, simplify. Ask yourself what you're doing right now. Is there a chance it could make you worse?

If you could send a message to someone listening who feels hopeless about their health, what would that message be?

Get happy to get healthy. That's the foundation. No, life doesn't move forward in your way when you're miserable. We all know it. You got stress. I understand it. We have to push through. There's no going around it sometimes. And the way you go through is you go find some sun, you find a smile, find a kiss, you find a hug.

Thank you so much for tuning in to the Amberly Lago show. Always say when you have your health, you want so many things. But when you don't have your health, you only want one thing. I know this. My guest today knows this. Health is wealth. And I am so honored today to have a new friend. He doesn't know this, but he's going to be stuck with me. An inspiring expert who he's really turned one of life's toughest challenges into a mission to help thousands reclaim their health. He is the one and only Dane Johnson, y'. All. He is a board certified nutritionist and he's an expert on individuals living with Crohn's ulcer, ulcerative colitis, ibd. He is the founder and CEO of Crohn's colitis lifestyle. And so today we are going to talk about so much because I know you listening are a go getter. Some of you listening are like me and have been diagnosed with crps. So we're going to talk about things you can do to feel better. Gut health, all the things. Welcome to the show. Dane. I'm so happy you're here.

Thank you so much for having me. Amberly, thank you for that beautiful introduction. I'm so proud to be here. I just want to dedicate this time to anyone who's sick, who's dealing with gut health issues. We're going to use every moment we can to help give you aha moments, give you takeaways and start helping you get empowered to feel better. Because we're not meant to be sick. We can be healthy. We're going to turn pain into purpose. Thanks so much for having me.

Oh, thank you, Dane. Well, you know, I, when I read your story, I was like, holy cow, this is exactly who I want on the show because there are so many people out there that are dealing with chronic pain, inflammation. And I love learning from someone who has actually been. Been through. I mean, I hate that you had to go through such a horrible experience with your health, but you went through it, so you know how it is. I mean, you were, you're lucky to be here.

Life threatening.

Yeah, it was life threatening.

Feeding tube. Yeah. 19 is when I first got sick. And that's why I have the, the courage and why I want to speak up and be here. Because there's a. We have so many doctors who are brilliant, but we don't have a lot of people who've actually gone through the experience of losing their life to chronic autoimmune disease, having debilitating GI issues and been able to recover. So that's, you know, I'm not an against the grain guy, but this story I think God put on me and, and I'm here to share it and I'm here to help people and I. And I'm here to serve. That's where I focus. That's my passion, that's my mission. And I took the worst thing that ever happened to me. I made it one of the best. You know, in 2014. The highlight of it is got started getting sick When I was 19, 22, I'm diagnosed with both ulcerative colitis, then later by a different Dr. Crohn's disease. These are forms of inflammatory bowel disease. It's basically the worst chronic autoimmune version of ibs. Irritable bowel syndrome. So it's chronic inflammation. Doctors don't know what causes it. You're more likely to get surgery. You're more likely to be on lifelong medications, surgery to move your colon or part of your ilium. You're more likely to get a stoma bag where you actually poop in a bag. You are more likely to have severe issues like weight loss, blood and stool, cramping, pain, cystic acne, chronic inflammation, headaches, mucus in the stool, diarrhea, severe food allergies. All of that's more common. So it's it's the real extreme version of IBS with chronic inflammation that's unexplained.

So all the things that you just listed when you were 19, were you. Is that what you were starting to experience?

Yeah, and I was a kid in college, and I started getting blood in the stool. And so you're wondering, did I eat beets? Did something sharp cut me to accidentally swallow some glass? What happened? And it would come and go, and then by the time I was. I didn't want to tell anyone. A lot of shame with gut health. A lot of people listening this going. Yeah, there's a lot of. You don't want to tell people you're having poop problems, especially as a kid in college, I went to school in South Carolina, College of Charleston. And we were playing beer pong, throwing footballs, trying to get a date, and I'm pooping blood. I'm not telling anyone that. You know, it was. Yeah, I was a kid, and eventually I got, you know, the. Mustered up the strength to say, hey, this has been happening a little bit. And. And, you know, obviously mom, dad started freaking out. By the time I was 22, they said, okay, it's Crohn's or it's colitis. It's one of the other. And then by the time I was 26, on my 27th birthday, I was fighting for my life. It nearly killed me. And so I. Extreme case. Yeah. This was not easy. This was not sudden. I was one of the worst cases you can have of this.

Yeah. And y' all gotta go check out his YouTube and just see the video of you from where you were to where you are now. It's like you're a different person.

Yeah. And we can build it. And there's. There are root issues going on in the body that are brilliant. Doctors, I say that truthfully, are brilliant. Great doctors just are not aware of that's changed in our society. We're going to talk about today. And there were systems I learned after many years of failure that started to help me actually heal. Didn't come easy, didn't come quick. It wasn't a magic pill. Wasn't just the perfect diet. Was all those things combined. We'll dive into of what are some takeaways to really get results. But as I was failing, what I learned is every naturopath, chiropractic doctor specializing in functional medicine or medical doctor, as brilliant as they are, they didn't have the disease, they didn't specialize in the disease, and they couldn't show me Results of helping someone else do what I was trying to do.

Okay, I have to ask you really

quick, write those three things down if you're stuck. Have you had those three experiences with the specialist you've worked with?

Ahead, Amber, why is it that so many chiropractors now are functional medicine doctors?

Yeah.

And wanting to prescribe peptides. Have you found that in your experience?

Well, chiropractic work is. Is seen by the United States as a. Is a more transparent type of medical degree than like a naturopathic medical doctor. Even though the naturopathic medical doctor is true to its face of what they do and what they're trained in, a lot of states don't recognize that. And you have more problems with potential central liability or being able to recommend certain things. Chiropractic doctor doesn't have that problem. So a lot of people are going to school. Just my opinion. I've had many chiropractic doctors who work for me at my company. And it's a way where they can. They can open clinics, they can do one sort of business like adjustments, nervous system regulation, help with inflammation. And then a lot of them get into functional medicine because it pairs nicely where, you know, even if you're working on nervous system or gut health or cellular detoxification, that all can work nice with how you move the body, what kind of physical therapy you do, how you recover from a back injury, a neck injury, recover from an ankle injury. So it all kind of pairs together. But some of our most famous functional practitioners in the world are actually chiropractic doctors, like Dr. Josh Axe as a chiropractic doctor, and Dr. Daniel Pompa, who I love. Both of those guys have been mentors to me are, you know, classically trained chiropractic doctors. Now, they've done a lot more than that over the years and training and experience, but that was the foundation of their success or to become a doctor, to call themselves a doctor. So I think we have to get away from this idea that if the answer was in a medical school where a doctor was being trained on it, we'd all be healed of these autoimmune diseases. So the answers we're looking for are not being taught in most schools right now. Now, there's a lot of innovation coming around naturopathic medicine and what's being taught. And I think there's a lot of good training there that's helping people. But what I found as a person who's actually sick and a lot of our listeners who've actually been Stuck as an entrepreneur, can't work as hard as I want to, can't travel, can't feel like I eat food after winter where a bathroom is. Chronically fatigued, severe arthritic pain throughout my body, chronic cystic acne. I wasn't finding those three things. We were talking about someone who specialized in this, someone who could relate with it personally and someone who could show me testimonies of I've already done for others who, what you were looking to be done. And I never found that. What was that?

What was the turning point for you that you were like, okay, none of this is working. I need to figure out a different way. What was that turning point?

Well, it was, it took four years to get the turning point and about 100 to 150 grand of family money. So we were throw, we were desperate because I was dying. At my worst, I was 122lbs at 6:2. I was on a feeding tube. I was on Dilaudid, which is the strongest painkiller you can give someone 3 grams a day. And I was on antibiotics and I was on antivio and methotrexate and prednisone. Like Skittles, four years on and off. 40 milligrams tapered down, 40 milligrams tapered down. And it just came out of desperation. Where all the failed attempts had led me to pivot on what was working in the past but how I could do it better to actually get it to work. So what I realized is it wasn't going to be a famous diet or me following a protocol from a book that was going to give me the result. It was everything combined. So I started cherry picking strategies from Dr. Gundry, from Jordan Rubin, from the Carnivore Diet, from the Fruitarian Diet, from Nervous System Regulation, EMDR German New Medicine, eft Tapping Emotional Freedom Technique. I started pulling ideas and strategies from herbalists, from the idea of natural sunlight and vitamin D and, and grounding and how the liver worked and how the microbiome works. So I became an insatiable reader studier and just continued to put everything I had into this. It became my full time job. So I was housebound for a year and that was three or four years after studying naturopathic medicine, working with naturopathic doctors for years, trying diets and not getting where I wanted to be. So after all of that, then it finally was like take everything that you tried, clear your mind, clear your heart and come back and put it all together. So here's some takeaways that helped Me finally get real results. Number one, I made healing my number one priority. Now I know we got business, I know we got kids, I've got my third kid on the way. I totally get all this. I know we've got responsibilities, but I had to build my life around health first. Right. Number two is I started journaling every day. So I actually started writing down what I ate and what I took. And I actually built a journal that I filled out for about six or seven months straight. And that allowed me to track variables that allowed me to scale what I started noticing to work for me, not work for everyone else. So it became my plan, not the plan.

Yeah, that's good.

And I'm gonna actually give that. Anyone listening right now, I'm gonna give it to you emberly. Anyone who wants my journal, this is what I built. This is exactly what I use, the framework I use to heal myself. They can download it completely free in the show notes, okay. If they wanna check it out. And so the third thing I did is I was very confused on food. And I know we should talk about food today, and we will. But I made a decision that what I would do is I would only eat what I cooked for a minimum of 70. About 70 days is what I did. 70, 72 before I ate something I was outside of something that I personally prepared from scratch. Now that takes a lot of energy and focus, but it is so doable when you do that. You take up the variables. Is it the seed oil? How many of us have heard about glyphosate seed oil? If it was a prepared wrong, was it too high temperatures? Was there something in here I didn't know about that was a cross contamination. I took those variables out, I prepared three or four meals at any given time. I would wake up and put Bob Marley on Let the sun in in California, make my breakfast, make sure I had everything prepared. And for lunch or dinner, things like that. And I was even doing this when I lived in New York City, Manhattan. So I know about busyness and not being home. So I would carry a book bag, I would prepare things. I would only drink water that I knew was the clean water. So I took out variables And I said 70 days. And that really helped me understand how do I respond to grapefruit versus a pumpkin seed versus a steak versus grounded turkey versus an avocado. And as I looked at things I wasn't responding to, I started then asking the question why? And I started realizing that there were certain variables when you're looking at nutrition at why someone may or may not do well with a certain food. And the first rule I want to give you is it's most likely not an allergy. It's a sensitivity, because your body has lost the ability to properly handle it. It's not an allergy. It's mostly a sensitivity. And I realized that the reason I was having problem with, let's say, a salad, it's gluten free, it's dairy free, it's seed oil free, it's glyphosate free, it's got tons of polyphenols, antioxidants, it's got all the color of the rainbow that we classically hear is good to eat. But when I ate it, I get more blood, get more urgency, and I'd see undigested leaves in the stool. So I was getting an inflammatory reaction to what was seemingly one of the healthiest things you could eat.

Wow.

And the reason. And I started going down the list. Here's an example. The reason I can't handle fiber and a lot of salads, and a lot of people listening are feeling the same, is because I couldn't break down that type of fiber. So I realized through my training, okay, there are two types of fiber. There's soluble fiber, absorbs water, so it's squishy like a sponge. An insoluble fiber does not absorb water, so it floats on a river. If you look at a salad, how many things in a salad can you squeeze? And water comes out?

Yeah, yeah, that's good. I never even thought of it that way.

See, that's what we need. We need simple, daily ways of seeing it. Simple action steps of how do we see it? As people. We don't have to become doctors. We need to understand how to simplify what's happening. So I realize that if I don't, if I can't squish it, I shouldn't eat it because my inflamed colon could not properly process that because my pancreatic enzyme function. My liver, which creates bile, which break down fats, was poor functioning. Because my stomach acid was poor functioning, I could not handle. Insoluble fiber, does not absorb water, floats on a river. So I started realizing, well, who else can't do that? A baby. A baby doesn't have inflammatory bowel disease. A baby doesn't have sibo. A baby doesn't have clonic dysbiosis or parasites. Why can't the baby eat the salad? Because the digestive process is not prepared for the salad yet. You have to Prepare the food to be baby ready. So understanding that context, that it's not just disease, it's the preparation for your digestion to be ready for something, is where we're getting lost. You're not allergic to the salad. Your body is incapable in this moment due to inflammation, poor digestion, leaky gut, a weak microbiome to properly break down that type of food cooked in that context.

So I love how you do. I love how you explained this, though, and how you think outside of the box instead of. I. I mean, I am at the doctors all the time for complex regional pain syndrome. And when I first moved to Texas, I went into my doctor and I was like. He just was like, yeah, give her this, this, this, and this. And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. What is. What is that you want to give me? And I was like. And I said, look, I'm going to be your worst nightmare of a patient because I don't want all those pills. I was like, I don't want to put a band aid on a bullet hole. I want to get to the pro. I want to get to the root. And I love that. That is what you do, and that's how you think. And so. And. And I'm going to be thinking about salads and squishy food.

Well, you started to write there. We started understanding that fiber is the indigestible matter found in food. That's great for building the microbiome, and it's great for regulating insulin. It's great for proper bowel movements and insoluble fiber. And soluble fiber have their benefits to our biochemistry. True, but there's a time and place, and when you strategically use them. Now, most foods have a bit of insoluble and soluble, but the manner at which you prepare can help break down some of those fibers. So a simple rule you can take before you consider. Should I be carnivore? Should I be aip? Should I do sed? Is see if you can just make sure that you have no seeds, no skins, can't squish it, don't eat it.

No, no seeds, no skins, can't squish it, don't eat it.

Now who is that? A good rule for anyone who's having chronic inflammation in the bowel and they're noticing mucus, blood, chronic diarrhea, severe cramping or pain. It could be helpful for certain people with bloating. I'm assuming that a lot of our listeners today are dealing with bloating, constipation, maybe some Gas that also could be helpful in that manner. Because sometimes when you can't digest something, it's going to create a fermentation response and further that problem down the line, causing that gas or bloat. So it's just a, it's a generic way to start so you can take your power back from this food is bad and this food is good. That's a falsity that causes trauma. For us, the cardinal rule of what I call food philosophy is the manner at which the food is prepared. So two cardinal rules that you can take away today about food is, number one, if you can pro. If you can prepare it yourself, you're going to reduce variables that are unknown. Number two, if you can prepare it in a way to be squishy, soft, delicious, melt in your mouth, oh, just so good, most likely you're going to have to chew it less. It's going to be much more bioavailable. When that happens, you're going to get a lot less inflammatory response from said food.

So I want to know, like on a daily basis. So when we, when we first hopped on, we were talking and you were snacking on something and we were, I feel like I could have talked to you all day. I'm like, oh yeah, we're recording a podcast here. What is, give me a breakdown of like, what is your typical breakfast, lunch and dinner?

Beautiful. So it's a moving thing. So when I'm working with someone with IBD or ibs, I'm starting on the defense. So I'm making sure that I'm reducing symptoms as quickly as possible by creating a food environment that is tasty, that's balanced, that increases nutrient absorption and eliminates inflammatory response. That's our goal. Whether you're going to eat meat or you're not going to eat meat, you're going to eat plants. We're building that for you. When you get to my level, it's more of getting on the offensive. Food is what I call it. So now you're using food like you're using exercise. So metaphorically to get on the offense. If you go for a run, that's going to be great for you. But if you go for a run and you have a bad knee, that's going to cause more inflammation and you're going to hurt yourself. So the way that you eat is based on the phase at which you're at. You have to see nutrition like you see exercise. It can be great to do a 10 mile run for certain people who are conditioned for it. It Is not good to do a 10 mile run because you've got diabetes and you're 300 pounds overweight and you are ready to kick this thing and go after it hard. Metaphorically. I want to say that before I tell you about certain things I eat. Okay.

That's so good though. It's so good.

But yeah, I told you, first love. I'll get you there too, guys. I'll get you there. We just start simple. Let's get proof of concept. Let's see if we can get that pain down, get that energy up, get that bloating down, get those bowel movements moving, whether it's constipation or chronic diarrhea. Let's start seeing if the body's responding to what we're doing. Based on the response, I can interpret that body's experience and start scaling it. Now. I'm going to scale now. Are we going to move fiber? Are we going to add in any grains or polysaccharides? Are we going to add in any types of increase in polyphenols, resistant starches, prebiotics, postbiotics, like butyrate, short chain fatty acids? It's like a Batman belt. I've got to first see how you're doing and then I'm going to scale that because I already know where I want to go with it. I already know what your body needs. Is your body ready for it? And then I'm also going to consider are there root issues? Do I think you have five pathogens? I'm always considering when I'm looking at your case. Parasites, candida, overgrowth, mold toxicity. A lot of times hidden mold toxicity may be causing what's called Sears chronic inflammatory response syndrome. Amberly, that might be one of the issues actually, because I see it causes hidden arthritic pains everywhere. So maybe looking at mold for you and all your viewers who have that chronic pain. Absolutely.

Wait, how do you test for mold?

Let me finish this and I'll tell you how we're in Test for mold, then it's going to be.

I'm selfishly.

There we go. No viral loads. Another one. Now, I commonly find hidden Epstein Barr virus, sotomegalovirus, shingles, herpes simplex, causing perpetuating inflammatory responses. Because an autoimmune result means that your body is not handling something that someone else doesn't get an inflammatory response from. Meaning two people have active Epstein Barr, but only one person gets acne, arthritic pains, brain fog, and blood in the stool. Now, one of the thing that nearly killed me Just to give you. One of the issues was an active recurrent cytomega virus. It was in my body. I couldn't get rid of it. And that was on top of everything else. So once I.

How do you even get something like that?

How do you get all these viruses? Including. See, first of all, all these viruses are forms of the herpes simplex. Now, we've been raised in a society that we think we kiss the wrong frog with this word herpes, but it's actually far from the truth. You could shake someone's hand, you could give someone a hug, you could drink from their glass and get Epstein Barr, get sodomegaly just like Covid. It's. It's in the air, food, water, it's everywhere. When I talked to Dr. Arman, a medical doctor in Germany hopes to run specific viral load testing for us that we think is the best and most authentic way to find these hidden viruses. He said that he estimated that about 90 to 95% of Americans have some sort of one of these herpes simplex viruses in their body, either attacking their body, or maybe your immune system can handle it. Maybe it's recurring, maybe it's still active, maybe it's not. That's one of the things we test for. The six viruses are cytomegalovirus, Epstein Barr virus, herpes simplex 1 and 2, echovirus, varicella virus, and coxackivirus. We chest for all six in your blood, and if those are active, they can be linked with neurodegenerative disease, chronic inflammation, chronic fatigue, GI issues. That's why we check what's called the IgA. This is a little bit more science for everybody. We're basically checking if your immune system's having a local gut reaction or locomucosa reaction, because you check different types of antibody reactions, IgA or immune reactions, IgA, IgG and IgM, IgA commonly, we don't test for in America because it's expensive and hard to do, and you got to spend all this money. In the lab test, we check for it, and we find local current activated viruses that are inflaming either the neur mucosal membrane in the. In the. In the brain, mucosal barrier in the brain, or the mucosal barrier in the gut. And we find correlation with Crohn's disease and ulcera colitis. There's actually some clinical research to show that people with active recurrent Epstein bar or cytomacovirus can cause inflammation, chronic bleeding, mucus in the stool. So you get. You're getting me on some tangents, but that I love this.

I'm forgetting to record. I'm just taking notes.

So we're going to build you. So the way I do this is I customize a plan for you so we have to listen to your background and be okay. This is how we want to eat. These are what supplements we should take and why. We don't give you anything that you don't agree with and you can't explain two to three sentences on why you were personally taking it. So we educate you, we empower you. One of the core problems I had is that I was just told to take a bunch of stuff and I had no idea what it was doing. So I didn't have as much consistency, I didn't have a lot of faith, I didn't have conviction because I wasn't taught why I was doing what I was doing. It was generic. So when you, when I saw a naturopath, they put me on the same stuff they put the last seven other people on. Everyone gets vitamin D, everyone gets a fish oil, everyone gets a vitamin, vitamin C, everyone gets, you know, NAC or some kind of liver support. It's generic. And so you need a custom plan built for you that someone can sit down and say, this is why we're doing it for you and this is why it makes sense. And your consistency, your excitement, your faith is going to double. So we start with that, then we start considering and we'll do run lab work or we'll listen to symptoms based on where we are. We're considering those five pathogens, we're going to look at parasites potential mold, we're going to look at Candida, we're going to look at viral load and we're going to look at bacterial load. So I might do this. Just your symptoms will tell me if you've got, if you've got bloating, gas, cramping, cystic acne, I am already going to start treating that before I even see it. Lab test. I already know simple things that are low risk and high reward that I'm going to do with you. So I'm going to start working on that. And then like with mold, you said, well, what do we do with mold? The first question we have to figure out if we believe there's mold. We have to see if we think you're living in mold. Now, I was working with a man who's extremely, extremely successful young man and he's been more successful than what he knows to do with in real estate. He Just built this house in 20, 23, 6,000ft. House in Ohio. Owns a 25 acre lot. And he goes, dan, I just built this house with my own team two years ago. There's no mold in here. I kept saying it, we kept looking, we kept looking. Right under his office. Black mold. Statue Bois, black massive amounts. Right under his desk. He had to completely renovate that. His house and even his office got some. These new builds are a problem. We can go on a tangent with mold. Mold is hard to find. The type of mold testing they're doing in common. Real estate is crap. Open AirMe tests I don't think are good enough. You have to open walls, you have to do swabs on wood. And you need to even do what's called an open in wall air cavity sample. Write that down. In wall air cavity sample, make an incision in the drywall. You put a vacuum up to it. You suck the air out of the wall into a little sample kit. You do that about 15 times around the house. That's how you find mold. Or you cut open the drywall and you swab that wood. When I bought my house, I did that. And they said in Newport beach, there's no mold here. We've checked, we've done three or me tests. I opened up the ceiling of my bathroom or I'm sorry, my office, I'm in right now. And I found black mold right above me.

Oh, my goodness. So now you're making me want to go cut holes in the wall.

So, guys, we're all going to get a little neurotic with this. So you got to be careful. If you have really bad debilitating issues, I'm probably going to push this quicker. If not, I'm just going to focus on things that are going to increase your defense against mold. Okay, so if you have extreme epigenetic issues, if you have extreme, extreme fatigue, you walk into a room and you get dizzy and you have to go home and you get pain everywhere, just. And you didn't feel like you eat anything different, these might be signs that we have to do something. Now if you live somewhere like you live in a basement or, you know, you've been exposed to mold, what I'm going to start doing is building a custom plan for you. So we're looking at binders, we're going to look at getting you to sweat. We're going to work out, working on your detox pathway. So your lymphatic system, skin sweating and your liver, and your ability to poop. If I Can get those four things working. I can usually get your symptoms way down without having to blow up your house.

Well, how often are you supposed to poop in one day?

One to three times a day.

One, two, three.

One to three every day. I. Two is a magic number for me and it depends. Okay, so what's going to increase how much you should poop in a day, the amount of fiber and the amount of meals you eat. If you are a vegan or vegetarian, I'm. I'm expecting you to poop more often because the amount of fiber you're eating is more. That's going to increase transit time. Transit time means how long does it take for you to put in your mouth, chew it, swallow it and for it to come out the other end. So the more fiber, the more plant matter you have, more likely to more bowel movements you can have. Now that could be a benefit because all that, if your body is ready, can be strategically cleansing to the colon. Now I might consider that in my back pocket by increasing certain fibers and prebiotics and all that stuff to clean your colon if I think that an over toxic colon that's not properly evacuating toxins is one of your core issues. So you see, there's ways we look at this. I need to build a plan that you can do and you can keep up that fits your work schedule, fits your kids, fits your travel schedule. So it all is customized to you. If you got to travel, this is what we're going to eat. I was working with a famous musician once and she was in a different town every other week. And we had to figure out ways to get her to travel with certain things, where she could go to certain restaurants, which I would rather you not go to restaurants, but she had to. And what she would actually travel with as far as like a probiotic or liver support or digestive support because she had severe Crohn's disease, which was affecting her ability to get on stage and do her thing. So you always got to, you know, just meet you where you're at and it's okay if it's not perfect. What's most important is that you're consistent, the plan is customized to you, that you agree with it and that we're pivoting as we get more data. So if I'm working with Amberly 10 Day, I'm going to say you're going to incorporate this plan for 10 days and we're meeting again. If you work with the best doctors in the world, let's say Mark Hyman, brilliant man. Pomp, a brilliant man. But you only meet them every six weeks, eight weeks. It is cutting off one of their legs on their ability to help you. I don't care how brilliant someone is, you cannot just put together a plan and then just say, that's it, do it for two months. Rarely does that work. That's the only way. Business scales. It's the problem of health and business is that to get great results you need micro strategy calls. What we do is we do everything on zoom. We do nothing in person. We work with you in India, Africa, Europe, wherever, and we get touches in and then we have DM support where you can hit us up on your phone and we just touch and move, touch and move. Our thinking is we want to get results as quickly as possible. If I can build you a plan that you can consistently do for 14 days and. And it actually hits Yahtzee on some of those problems, like you can't break down the food, you're getting an inflammatory response to this, your nervous system's too regulated, your liver's completely backed up, you don't have enough beneficial bacteria to break down the food and properly poop. If I start hitting those within the first 14 days, 17 days, you're going to feel better. And then once you feel better, you're going to be hooked, you're going to be excited, your consistency is going to go up, your faith is going to go up. We're going to have great tenor because now we, we believe in each other and then you're all day, let's go. You know, I.

Well, I love that you bring faith into it because if, if you're thinking something's not going to work, it's not going to work, or if you don't know why you're doing something, then you're not going to get the results that you could possibly get if you know exactly why you're doing something. And I believe in this because I think I've had a spinal stimulator for CRPs twice. Both times they were. They did not go well at all. I will never do it again. But I really think that I did not have faith that it was going to work. Something was telling me, this is not the solution for me, this isn't going to work. And my body reacted to it. I had another doctor that wanted. And this is probably, gosh, this is before peptides were all the rage, like before you saw it all over Instagram and TikTok and everything. This doctor was a functional medicine doctor and he Wanted me to do peptides and inject them. And he wanted me to inject them into my leg. And I said, but you don't understand. My leg is where the CRPS is. And one Pokemon can cause a flare up and I'm down. I won't be able to walk. So he didn't even know. I lost my faith when I have a doctor who supposedly knows what CRPS is and he's telling me to do something that could cause me to flare up, like think of a different solution. So I love that you think of the person as like, really specifically to that person. Person. You don't put everybody in a box and generalize everybody. And you.

You can't get real results like that. It's a. You're in the casino. Let's unpack what you just said. Because that has been one of the core specialties that I've done and I've seen is a consistent problem in the market of trying to help people. All right? And I've done this. I've had cases where people have been sick for 25 years, never gotten results, and we've gotten mass results. And here's the biggest reason is because first I've got to listen. You can't tell until you listen. And there are many times I recommended something and I had someone who had, you know, PCOS or endometriosis or some other diabetes, and they said, well, I don't know if I can do that. And I say, oh, yep, you're right. Thank you. Let's back up. Let's look at this again. Because the problem is, is that when you're working with someone who's great, they have a lot of people reaching out to them. And so when they meet with you, they're trying to build something for you, but they don't have the time, energy, or focus to really listen to your experience. You have to realize that you are going to be the best at healing you. One thing I'm already noticing on Amberly is that she. It's really hard for her to build trust with a practitioner because they know it all. She's not a doctor, but she has so much experience of things not working that she is so in tune with is this going to work or not going to work? And she doesn't want to offend anyone, but she already knows within five minutes of meeting someone if they're going to be able to help her. Because whether or not they're asking the right questions, they're listening enough. And a lot of times practitioners, they want to move really quickly. So they want to recommend seven things in the back of your head. You're going, no, no, no, no. Just. I think if I do all seven things, this is going to hurt me or more.

They want to prescribe $10,000 worth of peptides, 20 different prescriptions, or I mean, supplements, and then 11 different prescriptions. I mean, it's insane.

Well, it's a business, right? And that's the hard thing is we have to get to that middle ground of truth. And so what you have to do is you have to realize that you are the CEO of your health. Find someone who will first ask you questions and listen to you and build the plan you agree with. The biggest mistake I made is I kept going to people who were smarter than me and just doing what I was told to do. But I didn't feel heard in that conversation because I wasn't the doctor. So I would just say, okay, you want me to eat this for 12 days? Okay, you want me to take all these supplements? Okay, you want to take all these probiotics? You want me to do a coffee and then shove coffee up my butt? Fine, I'll do it. Because you're the doctor and you say so. But in my mind, I was saying, when this doesn't work, then I'm going to come back and give you, you know, then I'm just going to. I'm going to be lost again. And so I would just look at the clock and say, it's been 12 days. When is this going to kick in? But I wasn't accountable for it because I didn't agree with what the doctor was telling me. It wasn't. It was someone bestowing a plan on me. But I hadn't chosen the plan. When I. When I work with you or work with anyone, it. By the end of that meeting, it says, do you understand what you're doing? Do you agree with it? Do you feel safe with it? Is there anything you think we should do? Slower or faster? Speak up. Do not be scared to tell me the truth, because where your fear is, you're wondering if you're being neurotic. I don't care if you're being neurotic. Let me decide if you're, you know, and discern on that, because where I hear you are, I might say, you know what? Even if we go slower and we don't add in six things, and we add in one or two things, and you feel okay with that, the next two weeks, even if you have a neutral response, as long as you don't get a negative response and you're only neutral. We're building a relationship, we're building trust.

Building trust is huge. Yeah. And especially for a lot of people who live with debilitating pain, like chronic pain on a day to day basis. And they're desperate. They're desperate people like you when you

were all, you just throw money at it.

Yeah, just desperate. Like, okay, I mean I was a good candidate for any snake oil salesman out there. I was like, you can say, you can say, you can get me out of pain. Okay, I will do cartwheels and then chant this and then drip oil on my head. Whatever you say. Crazy stuff. But so I love that you really take into account each individual person and that there are touch points more often than once every six months.

Well, the thing is, with me, I, I, I'm the CEO of the company. We have 30 people on the team. We see 250 people with IBD around the world. I do very limited private coaching nowadays. I do do it, but it's just very limited. I work with entrepreneurs, people who are going around the world. I do about four clients at any given time. No more. It's not, it's not business for me anymore. I just enjoy helping people. I refuse to work with someone that I don't meet with once a week. I won't do it because it's, what I don't want is to work with someone and they're not getting results. Because if all of a sudden I'm getting, you get emails, you get DMS like that. Because so much is happening when you're sick. Seven days is a long time when you're chronically sick and you're in your head saying, well, I heard about this and I read this on Instagram and I did this and I tried that and I went on and I bought these three things and I added in three products. Because you're in there spinning the whole time when we talked about faith healing is a faith based thing. To think that your body can heal something that's been there for years takes a of lot, lot of faith. And because that faith is always being pushed against, you're going to constantly be tempted to change the plan. So you have to have extreme amount of integrity and trust with who you work with and who you're allowing to help lead you in what you're going to do and why. So the number one thing I want to do is make sure you don't get worse. I want neutral or positive results. Number two is that you agree with what we're doing. Number three is I'm looking for something that has low risk, high reward. So I'm literally going to run that through and say, simplify. Ask yourself what you're doing right now. Is there a chance it could make you worse? If so, it's probably not the main driver we need to focus on. Are there things that you're doing that can't make you worse and usually can only make you better? Examples, Usually it's going to be like meditation. Sunlight, grounding, maybe an Epsom salt bath, Maybe a single strain isolated probiotic, maybe a 20 minute castor oil pack. Maybe it's infrared light over the thyroid. Maybe it's EFT tapping to help with the nervous system regulation. Maybe it's also something like slowly scaling up on an independent C3 curcumin that works to stay in the gut or in the colon. Maybe it's just a specific type of digestive enzyme that enhances your ability to break down fats. Because fats is one of the core problems I see with people, especially with sluggish, sluggish liver, where, where the fear is. I don't want to kill anything in the beginning. I want to be very careful moving any toxins from your lymphatic, from your liver, from your kidneys, or even sweating in the beginning. So I need proof of concept. Can you even sit in a bath for 10 minutes and not get a terrible reaction or skin reactions, or get dizzy at 104 degrees? If so, let's add in one one scoop of Epsom salt bath and see if we can start moving things. Can you do 20 minutes of a Castor oil pack and be okay without getting fatigue, headache, sleepless nights, diarrhea, urgency. So I've got to test how sensitive you are. This is what I see. I see people who've been sick for 20 years and 30 years and you just gotta go really slow. Then a lot of times if I can start stacking beneficial bacteria, that's a huge win of where I tend to get results. And I see people get inflammation go down, skin issues go down, headaches go down, energy go up. Because when you start balancing the microbiome experience, that's where the immune system even lives. So any autoimmune disease, we have to rebuild your gut. The four ways we need to rebuild your gut, any autoimmune, I've got to enhance your digestion, I've got to balance your microbiome, I've got to seal up that gut lining, okay? And then I've got to, in doing so, I've got to balance that immune system response. And that will happen once you do the other ones. If I start to fix those in a way that's low risk and high reward, you will feel better. In my opinion. You will feel better despite the disease. And that's how I deal with people with IBD and three other diagnosis. And everything gets better because when you fix the, the gut, you're fixing the central system. So things that you can do today to start enhancing digestion. Stop drinking cold water. Only hot water. Hot water with a little lemon or a little apple cider vinegar or a little peppermint or ginger. Get rid of plastic, anything. Hot water. Okay. It's much more bioavailable too. Only drink water on an empty stomach or a little bit with the meal. Too much water dilutes digestion. All right, number three, make sure you're actually salivating when you're eating. Make sure your, your mouth is watering before you eat. Anyone who's wants to practice their faith, a little prayer to whoever or whatever you believe can help get your nervous system into the parasympathetic. You'll notice you start salivating. The more I talk about it, the more I start salivating right now.

Wow.

Just breathe it in. The most delicious Thanksgiving meal that's going to absorb my body. It's going to feel so good. Oh, it's going to be so tasty. And I'm not going to be scared of that food. The food fear is gone. This is great for me. Ah, let it out.

Oh.

And then presence. Enjoy, laugh and eat the food. Don't run in the car eating the food. Right. These are takeaways for digestion. The microbiome. We want to start single strain probiotics and we want to eliminate things causing inflammation. Where you get things that activate inflammation, you get dysbiosis, you get bad bacteria that continue to proliferate. Sugar, glyphosate, seed oils, fast food, all of these things proliferate. The dysbiotic bacteria, that just means too much of the bad guys, not enough good guys. Balance means we're not eliminating, we're rebalancing, we're getting back in order. And when it's balanced, like the weight on your left foot versus the right foot, you'll be able to walk again, metaphorically. So we got to balance it. So we're going to take away things in the beginning to make your life easier. Focus on what you're not doing more so than what you are doing, because I can Almost guarantee you if me and you agreed, let's take these three things out. That's low risk. What's the risk of stopping alcohol? What's the risk of going to bed at 9:30 instead of 11:30? What's the risk of taking the TV out of the bedroom? What's the risk of doing 20 minutes of meditation and saying, dane said it, I'm just 20 minutes a day. I'm going to do it for 14 days. Not for the rest of my Life, but for 14 days. And then me and him are going to measure my success tracker in 14 days. I got 14 days to get the result. With Dane, it's just 14.

Okay, well, see, I do all those things except for I do not go to bed at 9:30. I'm working on getting more sleep.

Well, journaling could be a good one for you. A castor pack could be a good one for you. Could be Epsom salt.

I do journaling. Castro packs before.

It could be binders, systemic binders with you. Something's causing your immune system to freak out throughout the body. I mean, there's a lot of ways we can do it. They're low risk, they're high reward, they don't cost $5,000 like TA1 peptide.

Yeah. So, hey, I want to ask you. What, what do you think about red light therapy?

Red light therapy is great, but it, it's a mover. When something moves something, there's a higher increase of a Herxheimer reaction. So I've seen severe cases get really bad reactions with pemf, pulse electromagnetic frequencies or red light. So it moves the blood, it helps move toxins. And that can be really great for people with stagnant issues. But if you're really sick and you're really over toxic, you could feel worse. So what I'm wondering with your case specifically is does your body freak out every time we try to move things out of it? You know, and so it's, there's a whole strategy to how to how your body detoxifies. Like the toxins stuck in adipose tissue or the lymphatic system not moving very well or what's actually in the bloodstream or how well is the liver actually working. Those are all things we want to consider. So I like it. But it's usually like a step two or three where I start pushing right. Right now I might want to bind, I want to calm down stress, I want to empower, I want to hydrate. I want to get minerals and salt, trace minerals in there to help mitochondria start doing what it can do. Help the body just empower what it does, you know. So I'm trying to just make sure the basis is strong. And, you know, that's why a lot of times I can get results by just saying, just work on an episode salt bath from one day a week to five days a week and do it from five minutes to 20 minutes and go to two scoops of Epsom salt. Maybe add even in baking soda or other things to make it stronger. Then move up on the castor oil pack. Then maybe move up from a. Do different binders, you know, on an empty stomach at night so when you're sleeping, your body can grab those toxins and get them out. The whole point of a binder is to support your body. As he talks about, hey, when you

talk about exposure, what I I when you talk about a binder, what exactly is that?

So, and that's interesting, guys. So as just. I'll tell you what I'm thinking. So if I was working with Amberly or any of you guys, what I'm thinking, she doesn't know what a binder is. And if she spent as much money and done as much as she's done on her health or any autoimmune and no one's explained what a binder is, I'm seeing meat on the bone. I'm going, oh, great. There's a lot we can probably do. Because if no one's actually explained a binder or used a binder, now I'm wondering, no, no.

And I've. What? Millions.

Okay, so, guys, the fact that she spent millions, this is the number one problem. I just want to really put this to you. You need a practitioner who trains you, who makes you the answer, not just tell you what to do. See, I'm trying to simplify and make it executable for Amberly and then that she has to agree with me or disagree with me. I'm fine with both, but I'm. My job is to make her life simple and get her actionable steps that get real results and build that trust. We don't do anything unless she agrees with it. And I'm going to take her entire Batman belt and make it simple and make sure she can explain it to someone else. If she can't walk out that room and tell someone what a binder is, I have not done my job. This is what I was missing when I was spending hundreds of thousands of dollars with these doctors is it was just McDonald's drive thru. It was all good. Stuff, but it wasn't customized to me. I didn't understand it. That hurt my faith, that hurt my consistency. And then we weren't able to scale. I need to win Amberly's trust within a couple of weeks so that I know I've got six months with her, and I'm. She's seeing roi. We're winning together. And we know as we do more advanced things where the risks are higher, we have our good team to do that because she knows the how her body can freak out. That's really hard to find. That's what you need. And you need to ask that from the people you work with. A binder is a type of chelator that helps attract, like a magnet, certain types of toxins in your body to help your body excrete it. There are chemicals in our environment that our divine natural pathways cannot get rid of our body. God gave us five natural generic ways to detoxify. Okay. Through the liver, the kidney, the ability to sweat, ability to poop. Okay. And ability to pee. All right. Or common, most common ways of how our body eliminates and you could say breath and a few other ways. Now, there are man made chemicals in our environment, and there are changes to certain pathogens that our body cannot get rid of. And they are one of the root issues of chronic pain and chronic autoimmune. I've seen this with so many cases. You might have cleaned up your lifestyle, Amberly, but I'm wondering if your body's been able to eliminate what's been in there for 20 years. I'm guessing no.

I think I've had 34 surgeries to save my leg from amputation. Imagine 34 times being put under anesthesia. I mean, my hair was falling out. So I'm sure I have toxins as much as I've cleaned up my lifestyle. And you should see the morning, afternoon, and nightly routine I do every day just to, like, be able to do the things you do.

So I had a client like this who had severe case, you know, six surgeries failed, five biological. She had colorectal cancer and diagnosis of colitis and still couldn't get everything normal. With high grade dysplasia. Came to us with the last, last ditch effort. She'd already gotten rid of all the parabens. She gotten rid of all. All that got clean. Hapa products. She got in HEPA filters in every room. She agreed only organic. She cleaned up her municipal water and made sure it was triple filtered RO or distilled water. All of it. The problem Was is that she had toxins in her body that her body could not eliminate that were just sitting in there causing inflammation at a cellular level. There's a difference between eliminating toxins coming into your body through the air, food and water versus helping your body eliminate what's at a cellular level. And says stuck. So one of the things in my head I'm wondering is, is there, are there toxins in Amberly's body that are stuck there? Can we. So we start checking for them and how can we start?

I'm sure there are. Probably.

Probably there are. So this is where I want to check blood, I want to check urine, I want to check stool. And I'm also going to start playing around because even on step one, I might just say like the Epsom salt bath or rebounding or go for a walk for an hour. What happens when I start moving her body and helping her natural pathways start to move? And I'm just looking for signs. I'm testing the waters as safely as possible. If she gets a neutral reaction, I'm good with that. She gets a positive reaction, Yay. Me and her are hugging. I am making sure we're not getting a negative reaction because that will destroy the trust and integrity that we have to have together. So the number one thing I'm looking for neutral. So I'm going to start with really basic stuff. I want you to go on a 20 minute walk, I want you to get in a 20 minute Epsom salt bath. I want you to get a re rebounder for, for 15 minutes and move that lymphatic system. Or if she's more, she's already done all this and she's got more experience. I might start her right into an infrared sun at 140 degrees or I might go to dry sauna at 180 degrees. That's a little stronger. And I might then put her on a little bit of N acetyl cysteine, which is a natural liver support, a preemptive, a precursor to glutathione as a powerhouse antioxidant to clean her body and it helps as a natural biofilm disruptor. So I'm more likely to find some of the root causes in the labs. If you don't use a natural light biofilm disruptor and a liver mover before you test pee, specifically in a test, you're most likely not going to seed as well. So I'm going to use nice natural types of liver support and lymphatic support to rev up her body a little bit so I'm more likely to find the root cause when I do the functional labs. Because we don't spend a dollar unless it makes sense. I don't care if you're worth $10 million. We don't spend a dollar unless we make sense. This is how winning is done. And I don't even specialize in what you have.

Yeah, I am very excited to say that I do all those things. Good. Except I don't do the sauna every day, but I love myself a good old Epson salt bath.

Have you done an organic acid test?

No, I have not.

Have you done my. My Michael a total tox burden test looking at mold, heavy metals, and environmental toxins?

No. That's why I was asking you about.

That's phase one, dude. I'll do that in more than three months. All that money, no one's done that. That's crazy to me. The fact that you've spent all that and no one has done a total tox burden. Organic assets. Anyone done a cytokine panel on you? Cytokines, TNF, Alpha IL23. Anyone ever done a Sears test on you? C4, a VEGF? No. Okay.

No.

Because this is crazy to me. They are just treating symptoms.

The pain. Yes.

They're not doing root cause.

And let's go straight to the spine. And we're going to put some metal leads in your spine and implant a machine in your butt cheek and give you a machine to turn a current on to try instead of let's. What could be called. And I know, look.

And you need both. You need both guys. You need both. But that's what we want to do is, you know, she's probably got a plan. This isn't what I specialize in, but I'm already starting to look for drivers. What is driving the immune system to be freaking out and attacking her body? And so when you say I've done all that, those are three tests that I would be doing sooner than later, and I'd be looking at Sears. And if I find signs of Sears, then we look harder at your house, especially if you've been living there for five or 10 years. It's like Sherlock Holmes. We've got to start looking for clues, come up with theories, and then try to prove theory without putting you at risk. And then. And you should be, whoever you're doing with this, you want to meet with them often. So our coaches, we meet with you about every two weeks. We don't, like every once a month because it hurts our ability to get results. We want to partner with people that we go and get results with. Our success rates about 90%. We change lives nine out of 10 times and we deal with people, er, life threatening, sometimes people in Africa, we can't get them product. People who've got six year olds, who's sick, with no background. I mean, we take on really tough cases because we're passionate. Another thing that's special is that everyone on our team has IBD. Not everyone. 80% of our team has IBD. Ourselves, we specialize in it, we've done it ourselves and we have more testimonies than any coach, clinic or doctor in the world. But this is all usable, despite if you have Crohn's or colitis. I mean, Amberly, if someone put a gun to my head and said, help someone who's chronically sick with autoimmune, they don't have ibd, they have rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis. I actually am confident I can get great results because I understand how to fix the gut, where 70% of the immune system lives.

Yeah.

And I understand, I understand how to help the body do what's very difficult, which is identify toxins, get them out of your body without causing a severe Herxheimer reaction or putting you in a flare. And I know how to read symptoms and I know what usually drives those symptoms. And I have so much experience with peptides or exosomes or stem cells or natural killer cells or ozone therapy or coffee enemas, parasite cleanses, biofilm disruption. I know what that's likely to do and I know who that's likely going to hurt. And so you rep it. And a lot of practitioners don't. They've never done it themselves. I've hired so many naturopaths, they've never done coffee enemies on the self, they've never done parasite cleanse on themselves. They've never.

And they're telling you to do it. And dang.

Yeah, there's. They've never been sick.

Yeah, they've never been sick. But also too. I was in the fitness industry for 20 and I had a business, I employed several other trainers. And I would never have a client do something that I had not done myself. Like, I would never tell them to eat a certain way if I hadn't experienced myself. And in fact, I will go to the extreme. I had this guy, a client, his name was David. He came in and he was doing something called the Fat Flush diet. And I said, I really don't want to do this, but I will do it with you. So I know what you're experiencing. And I did it because I want to know by experience what they're going through. But I just love everything that you share. I mean, I've been taking notes. We didn't get to have two questions and I knew selfishly I was going to have some questions for you. But I know we've gone over and I need to wrap it up. I respect your time. Thank you so much. One last thing. If you could send a message to someone listening who feels hopeless about their health, what would that message be?

Get happy to get healthy. That's the foundation. Okay, guess foundation. No. Life doesn't move forward in your way when you're miserable. We all know it. You got stress. I understand it. We have to push through. There's no going around it. Sometimes and the way you go through is you go find some sun, you find a smile, you find a kiss, you find a hug.

That's why I wrote this book.

Go joy through the journey. Get happy to get healthy. Number two, become the CEO of your health. If you know business, I've been told I'm talking to entrepreneurs. You're not the best funny funnel maker. You're not the best at building websites. You're not supposed to be. As the CEO, you're supposed to understand it enough to get the right people on your team who can execute that stuff for you. Build your team, lead the ship. Who do you need on your team to get massive results? Find them, work with them, get connected with a successful community that you have trust and integrity with. Healing is not linear. You need trust and integrity before you need the perfect magic pill or magic protocol. Because once you have that, we can keep tweaking until you get the result. Healing is not linear. It is a moving piece. So as you become the CEO, use your instincts. Trust yourself. You are smarter, you're more capable than you feel or you even know. And your intuition means a lot more than I think a lot of us, we've give ourselves credit for. Doctors are great, but you are the answer.

You're amazing. You are incredible. Oh, my goodness. So you. Thank you for giving the free gift for people. What? How's. How can people work with your team?

Yeah, so the way we work is, you know, we. We do private coaching, a hybrid training. Everyone gets custom plans. So we're not this big scalable drive through. We can only take on so many clients. We work with people with ibd, Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, pan colitis. If you Have IBS or undiagnosed. And we will still look at your case if its integrity will work with you. We the way we you can consider working with us, and I'll put this below too, is you can schedule a free one hour session. Anyone we want to work with, we have to do a free one hour. We want integrity, trust and we want to feel like this can actually work. So we schedule that. No hassle, no gimmicks, free one hour there. And then we start talking about your potential root issues, what you've tried, what's not worked, experience, conventional, natural. And what do we think is a game plan for success? If we're in congruence with that, we'll move forward and we'll be dedicated to helping you get this massive results. We build your plan for you, customize, everything's customized. Everyone gets a one on one coach. We do not do just basic training. Everyone gets a straight up coach to do it. Because we, when we put our name on the line, we want to get massive results. We just want to make sure that happens. So in the show notes you'll be able to see that you can book that session or you can reach out to us at Crohn's glitus, lifestyle.com Instagram, Crohn's colitis, lifestyle, me, Dane Johnson, you can reach out and we'll be support to help around the world. We work all around the world.

Oh, well, thank you so much for your time today and for sharing so much wisdom and opening my eyes. That was so good. You're amazing.

Go Amberly, get on the go, learn about some of those binders. I'm thinking maybe something like full of a cumic acid, but check out a product called Carboxy by Cellcore. C R C A R B O X Y. I mean, look, I don't know your case and everything going on, but a systemic binder that might be able to grab toxins or clean that blood out. I don't know, I'd have to deep dive in your case, but binders might be something that you could sport in all those labs we talked about.

Yeah, well, I'm gonna be reaching out. I'm gonna be reaching out.

We'll connect after this. Yeah.

Yes, yes. And just thank you again for being on the show. And hey, thank y'. All. Thank you so much for tuning in. And you know what, tag me, take a screenshot. I know you got some value out of that. I sure did. I was taking notes. If you take a screenshot and tag me at Amberly logo motivation. And would you like for them to tag you your personal page or on the Crohn's colitis page?

You could do both, but the Crohn's colitis page is where we can support more. I've got team members there answering DMS and making sure that you're getting connected with a support specialist or a coach or whatever you need.

Okay? Awesome. So do that. And, hey, I appreciate you listening, tuning in. It's because of you, you've made this show a top 1% show. So thank you for being here, and we will see you next week.